A hoagie on the way home from the ballpark

[Gordon]

Jill and I live in Arlington TX, home of the first place Texas
Rangers, and are going to a different ballpark each month. So far this
year, we have been to Dodger Stadium, Petco Park, Yankee Stadium, and
Minute Maid Field. Next month, we are coming to Philly to see the new
stadium and I have a couple of questions.
In 1966, when I was in the navy, my ship, the USS Shangri-La was in
the naval shipyard and Jill and I were newly weds living in a 3rd
floor walk up with the college students at 49th and Baltimore. I was a
young hospital corpsman and I had a part time job as an orderly in the
Emergency Room in the old St. Agnes. Jill and I fell in love with
Philly but we have only been able to come back a couple of times since
then. I went on to do 25 years in the navy and am now retired in
Texas. The Penrose Diner still has a special place in our hearts.

After all that BS, here are our questions. Is there any special food
sold in the ballpark that we absolutely must not miss? Are there any
special things in the ballpark that we should not miss, like special
views, etc? Where can we get a good Italian hoagy after the afternoon
game? We are staying downtown and will be taking the subway, so any
place on the subway line between the ballpark and down town would be
perfect. Is there any place downtown to get a really good breakfast?
Thanks in advance for all of your help.

Go Phillies!!!

Gordon McDougall

[cgk]

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Post by Gordon
Is there any special food
sold in the ballpark that we absolutely must not miss?

[s***@temple.edu]

Post by Gordon
After all that BS, here are our questions. Is there any special food
sold in the ballpark that we absolutely must not miss? Are there any
special things in the ballpark that we should not miss, like special
views, etc? Where can we get a good Italian hoagy after the afternoon
game? We are staying downtown and will be taking the subway, so any
place on the subway line between the ballpark and down town would be
perfect. Is there any place downtown to get a really good breakfast?
Thanks in advance for all of your help.

The Penrose Diner is still alive and well. I only attended one game
at the Philly's new home, thus far. I only ate a barbecued brisket
sandwhich, but it was fantastic and reasonably priced.

Try going to the Reading Terminal Market before the game. You can
get excellent hoagies there, and lots of other foods. The Reading
Terminal is on 12th and Filbert Streets, just a brief walk from
Market Street.

[aud]

Best breakfast I've had in center city lately (and I don't eat there
often enough these days) was at the Down Home Diner, also at Reading
Terminal.

I am definitely in the bring-your-own camp at the Park now - food is way
overpriced there. I never bothered with the absurd cheesesteak lines -
after all, if you want Tony Luke's, you go to Front & Oregon. The BBQ is
sub-par, I wanted it to be as good as Boog's at Camden Yard, but it's
not. If you have breakfast at Reading Terminal or thereabouts, bring
food to the game... (Where did you find BBQ brisket, Stan?)

And bring your own drinks (sealed plastic bottles) unless you like
paying $3.50 for Coke's brand of water.

The Park is great, and the only downtown view is from the 1st base side.
Cool views of the Vet rubble from the 3rd base side.

Post by s***@temple.edu

Post by Gordon
After all that BS, here are our questions. Is there any special food
sold in the ballpark that we absolutely must not miss? Are there any
special things in the ballpark that we should not miss, like special
views, etc? Where can we get a good Italian hoagy after the afternoon
game? We are staying downtown and will be taking the subway, so any
place on the subway line between the ballpark and down town would be
perfect. Is there any place downtown to get a really good breakfast?
Thanks in advance for all of your help.

The Penrose Diner is still alive and well. I only attended one game
at the Philly's new home, thus far. I only ate a barbecued brisket
sandwhich, but it was fantastic and reasonably priced.
Try going to the Reading Terminal Market before the game. You can
get excellent hoagies there, and lots of other foods. The Reading
Terminal is on 12th and Filbert Streets, just a brief walk from
Market Street.

[James Andrews]

Post by aud
The Park is great, and the only downtown view is from the 1st base side.
Cool views of the Vet rubble from the 3rd base side.

I think you have it backwards there: the vet rubble is behind the
third base side; you can see it from way upper right field. You're
right, thought, that the only downtown view is from behind home plate
and the first base side.

[Hillary Israeli]

In <***@comcast.com>,
aud <***@comcastspam.net> wrote:

*I am definitely in the bring-your-own camp at the Park now - food is way
*overpriced there. I never bothered with the absurd cheesesteak lines -
*after all, if you want Tony Luke's, you go to Front & Oregon. The BBQ is

Huh. I had a good cheesesteak at the ballpark, and the line was not huge
at all. I had my sandwich in hand within 3 minutes of getting into the
line.

-h.

[bebopper]

Post by Hillary Israeli
Huh. I had a good cheesesteak at the ballpark, and the line was not huge
at all. I had my sandwich in hand within 3 minutes of getting into the
line.
-h

Maybe he meant without butting in front of other people ????

- bebopper

[Hillary Israeli]

In <***@4ax.com>,
bebopper <***@nospam.org> wrote:

*On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:39:08 +0000 (UTC), ***@hillary.net (Hillary
*Israeli) wrote:
*
*>In <***@comcast.com>,
*>aud <***@comcastspam.net> wrote:
*>
*
*>
*>Huh. I had a good cheesesteak at the ballpark, and the line was not huge
*>at all. I had my sandwich in hand within 3 minutes of getting into the
*>line.
*>-h
*
*Maybe he meant without butting in front of other people ????

So did I. WTF?

[Bill]

Gordon & Jill,
First of all, my condolences for having to live in Dallas Cowboy country.
That said I'd recommend going to Chickie's Deli at 10th & Federal in the
heart of South Philly. You could get off the subway at Broad & Federal and
walk east 4 blocks or get on the C bus at Broad & Geary (1/2 block north of
Pattison where the stadium is) and that'll go past 10th & Federal on it's
way to downtown. Another popular place is Primo Hoagies at 1528 Ritner but
public transportation doesn't take you past there, a 2 block walk from
nearest stop and I'm not sure how safe it'd be. Breakfast at the Down Home
Diner is very good and the Amish restaurant is always crowded for breakfast
but they're only open Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Both are in the Reading
Terminal Market

Public transportation info: www.septa.org

Post by Gordon
Jill and I live in Arlington TX, home of the first place Texas
Rangers, and are going to a different ballpark each month. So far this
year, we have been to Dodger Stadium, Petco Park, Yankee Stadium, and
Minute Maid Field. Next month, we are coming to Philly to see the new
stadium and I have a couple of questions.
In 1966, when I was in the navy, my ship, the USS Shangri-La was in
the naval shipyard and Jill and I were newly weds living in a 3rd
floor walk up with the college students at 49th and Baltimore. I was a
young hospital corpsman and I had a part time job as an orderly in the
Emergency Room in the old St. Agnes. Jill and I fell in love with
Philly but we have only been able to come back a couple of times since
then. I went on to do 25 years in the navy and am now retired in
Texas. The Penrose Diner still has a special place in our hearts.
After all that BS, here are our questions. Is there any special food
sold in the ballpark that we absolutely must not miss? Are there any
special things in the ballpark that we should not miss, like special
views, etc? Where can we get a good Italian hoagy after the afternoon
game? We are staying downtown and will be taking the subway, so any
place on the subway line between the ballpark and down town would be
perfect. Is there any place downtown to get a really good breakfast?
Thanks in advance for all of your help.
Go Phillies!!!
Gordon McDougall

[Gordon]

First re the Cowboys. Jill is a Cowboys fan. I, however, am a
Redskins fan. She was brave enough to wear her Cowboys gear to a
Cowboys-Eagles game at the vet in 1990. We took a little heat but the
Eagles fans are good people and we had a lot of fun.

Thanks for the great advice regarding food. One question. Is the
Reading Terminal Market open on Sundays? I know the Amish places
aren't but how about some of the others.

Thanks again.

Gordon

Post by Bill
Gordon & Jill,
First of all, my condolences for having to live in Dallas Cowboy country.
That said I'd recommend going to Chickie's Deli at 10th & Federal in the
heart of South Philly. You could get off the subway at Broad & Federal and
walk east 4 blocks or get on the C bus at Broad & Geary (1/2 block north of
Pattison where the stadium is) and that'll go past 10th & Federal on it's
way to downtown. Another popular place is Primo Hoagies at 1528 Ritner but
public transportation doesn't take you past there, a 2 block walk from
nearest stop and I'm not sure how safe it'd be. Breakfast at the Down Home
Diner is very good and the Amish restaurant is always crowded for breakfast
but they're only open Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Both are in the Reading
Terminal Market
Public transportation info: www.septa.org

Post by Gordon
Jill and I live in Arlington TX, home of the first place Texas
Rangers, and are going to a different ballpark each month. So far this
year, we have been to Dodger Stadium, Petco Park, Yankee Stadium, and
Minute Maid Field. Next month, we are coming to Philly to see the new
stadium and I have a couple of questions.
In 1966, when I was in the navy, my ship, the USS Shangri-La was in
the naval shipyard and Jill and I were newly weds living in a 3rd
floor walk up with the college students at 49th and Baltimore. I was a
young hospital corpsman and I had a part time job as an orderly in the
Emergency Room in the old St. Agnes. Jill and I fell in love with
Philly but we have only been able to come back a couple of times since
then. I went on to do 25 years in the navy and am now retired in
Texas. The Penrose Diner still has a special place in our hearts.
After all that BS, here are our questions. Is there any special food
sold in the ballpark that we absolutely must not miss? Are there any
special things in the ballpark that we should not miss, like special
views, etc? Where can we get a good Italian hoagy after the afternoon
game? We are staying downtown and will be taking the subway, so any
place on the subway line between the ballpark and down town would be
perfect. Is there any place downtown to get a really good breakfast?
Thanks in advance for all of your help.
Go Phillies!!!
Gordon McDougall

[Ray]

Post by Bill
way to downtown. Another popular place is Primo Hoagies at 1528 Ritner but
public transportation doesn't take you past there, a 2 block walk from
nearest stop and I'm not sure how safe it'd be.

If you get off at the Oregon Ave stop (or for that matter, the Snyder Ave
stop) it's only a 4-5 block walk to Primo's. And that area is perfectly
safe.

Post by Bill
Gordon & Jill,
First of all, my condolences for having to live in Dallas Cowboy country.
That said I'd recommend going to Chickie's Deli at 10th & Federal in the
heart of South Philly. You could get off the subway at Broad & Federal and
walk east 4 blocks or get on the C bus at Broad & Geary (1/2 block north of
Pattison where the stadium is) and that'll go past 10th & Federal on it's
way to downtown. Another popular place is Primo Hoagies at 1528 Ritner but
public transportation doesn't take you past there, a 2 block walk from
nearest stop and I'm not sure how safe it'd be. Breakfast at the Down Home
Diner is very good and the Amish restaurant is always crowded for breakfast
but they're only open Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Both are in the Reading
Terminal Market
Public transportation info: www.septa.org

Post by Gordon
Jill and I live in Arlington TX, home of the first place Texas
Rangers, and are going to a different ballpark each month. So far this
year, we have been to Dodger Stadium, Petco Park, Yankee Stadium, and
Minute Maid Field. Next month, we are coming to Philly to see the new
stadium and I have a couple of questions.
In 1966, when I was in the navy, my ship, the USS Shangri-La was in
the naval shipyard and Jill and I were newly weds living in a 3rd
floor walk up with the college students at 49th and Baltimore. I was a
young hospital corpsman and I had a part time job as an orderly in the
Emergency Room in the old St. Agnes. Jill and I fell in love with
Philly but we have only been able to come back a couple of times since
then. I went on to do 25 years in the navy and am now retired in
Texas. The Penrose Diner still has a special place in our hearts.
After all that BS, here are our questions. Is there any special food
sold in the ballpark that we absolutely must not miss? Are there any
special things in the ballpark that we should not miss, like special
views, etc? Where can we get a good Italian hoagy after the afternoon
game? We are staying downtown and will be taking the subway, so any
place on the subway line between the ballpark and down town would be
perfect. Is there any place downtown to get a really good breakfast?
Thanks in advance for all of your help.
Go Phillies!!!
Gordon McDougall

[Exile on Market Street]

Post by Gordon
We are staying downtown and will be taking the subway, so any
place on the subway line between the ballpark and down town would be
perfect. Is there any place downtown to get a really good breakfast?
Thanks in advance for all of your help.

One respondent mentioned Primo Hoagies at 1528 Ritner. They also have an
outlet in Center City, on South 11th Street between Sansom and Walnut.
However: it closes at 3 pm on Monday and Tuesday and 5 pm on the other three
weekdays and is not open at all on the weekend.

A very good alternative nearby is Planet Hoagie at 1207 Walnut. They are
open later ('til 8:30 pm) and have some of the best hoagies I've ever had.

Another place that fits this description is Merlino's at 15th and Ellsworth,
one block west of Ellsworth-Federal subway stop. However: they close when
they run out of bread or at 4 pm, whichever is earlier. Expect to encounter
a line whenever you go there, though you can call ahead to place an order
for pickup (I'd have to get the phone number for you).

There is nothing else like the Reading Terminal Market in all Philadelphia.
Unfortunately, it is not open Sundays. If you're looking to get breakfast
on Sunday morning, your options are mainly the 24-hour diners such as the
Midtown II (11th and Sansom) or St. George (somewhere west of City Hall, I
forget exactly where).

[bebopper]

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:28:53 GMT, "Exile on Market Street"

Post by Exile on Market Street

Post by Gordon
We are staying downtown and will be taking the subway, so any
place on the subway line between the ballpark and down town would be
perfect. Is there any place downtown to get a really good breakfast?
Thanks in advance for all of your help.

One respondent mentioned Primo Hoagies at 1528 Ritner. They also have an
outlet in Center City, on South 11th Street between Sansom and Walnut.
However: it closes at 3 pm on Monday and Tuesday and 5 pm on the other three
weekdays and is not open at all on the weekend.
A very good alternative nearby is Planet Hoagie at 1207 Walnut. They are
open later ('til 8:30 pm) and have some of the best hoagies I've ever had.
Another place that fits this description is Merlino's at 15th and Ellsworth,
one block west of Ellsworth-Federal subway stop. However: they close when
they run out of bread or at 4 pm, whichever is earlier. Expect to encounter
a line whenever you go there, though you can call ahead to place an order
for pickup (I'd have to get the phone number for you).
There is nothing else like the Reading Terminal Market in all Philadelphia.
Unfortunately, it is not open Sundays. If you're looking to get breakfast
on Sunday morning, your options are mainly the 24-hour diners such as the
Midtown II (11th and Sansom) or St. George (somewhere west of City Hall, I
forget exactly where).

Isn't there another Midtown at 19th and Chestnut ??

The St. George on Arch ?? I took my kids to the Franklin
Institute last week and was surprised to see it had changed its name.
It used to be an after hours favorite back when T' n T Monroes was
still hosting jazz nights.

Little Pete's on 17th might be a good breakfast choice on a
Sunday if you get there at the right time ..

- bebopper

[James Andrews]

Post by bebopper
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:28:53 GMT, "Exile on Market Street"

Post by Exile on Market Street

Post by Gordon
We are staying downtown and will be taking the subway, so any
place on the subway line between the ballpark and down town would be
perfect. Is there any place downtown to get a really good breakfast?
Thanks in advance for all of your help.

One respondent mentioned Primo Hoagies at 1528 Ritner. They also have an
outlet in Center City, on South 11th Street between Sansom and Walnut.
However: it closes at 3 pm on Monday and Tuesday and 5 pm on the other three
weekdays and is not open at all on the weekend.
A very good alternative nearby is Planet Hoagie at 1207 Walnut. They are
open later ('til 8:30 pm) and have some of the best hoagies I've ever had.
Another place that fits this description is Merlino's at 15th and Ellsworth,
one block west of Ellsworth-Federal subway stop. However: they close when
they run out of bread or at 4 pm, whichever is earlier. Expect to encounter
a line whenever you go there, though you can call ahead to place an order
for pickup (I'd have to get the phone number for you).
There is nothing else like the Reading Terminal Market in all Philadelphia.
Unfortunately, it is not open Sundays. If you're looking to get breakfast
on Sunday morning, your options are mainly the 24-hour diners such as the
Midtown II (11th and Sansom) or St. George (somewhere west of City Hall, I
forget exactly where).

Isn't there another Midtown at 19th and Chestnut ??
The St. George on Arch ?? I took my kids to the Franklin
Institute last week and was surprised to see it had changed its name.
It used to be an after hours favorite back when T' n T Monroes was
still hosting jazz nights.
Little Pete's on 17th might be a good breakfast choice on a
Sunday if you get there at the right time ..

don't forget carman's country kitchen, 11th & Wharton. call ahead.

[bebopper]

Post by James Andrews

Post by bebopper
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:28:53 GMT, "Exile on Market Street"

Post by Exile on Market Street

Post by Gordon
We are staying downtown and will be taking the subway, so any
place on the subway line between the ballpark and down town would be
perfect. Is there any place downtown to get a really good breakfast?
Thanks in advance for all of your help.

One respondent mentioned Primo Hoagies at 1528 Ritner. They also have an
outlet in Center City, on South 11th Street between Sansom and Walnut.
However: it closes at 3 pm on Monday and Tuesday and 5 pm on the other three
weekdays and is not open at all on the weekend.
A very good alternative nearby is Planet Hoagie at 1207 Walnut. They are
open later ('til 8:30 pm) and have some of the best hoagies I've ever had.
Another place that fits this description is Merlino's at 15th and Ellsworth,
one block west of Ellsworth-Federal subway stop. However: they close when
they run out of bread or at 4 pm, whichever is earlier. Expect to encounter
a line whenever you go there, though you can call ahead to place an order
for pickup (I'd have to get the phone number for you).
There is nothing else like the Reading Terminal Market in all Philadelphia.
Unfortunately, it is not open Sundays. If you're looking to get breakfast
on Sunday morning, your options are mainly the 24-hour diners such as the
Midtown II (11th and Sansom) or St. George (somewhere west of City Hall, I
forget exactly where).

Isn't there another Midtown at 19th and Chestnut ??
The St. George on Arch ?? I took my kids to the Franklin
Institute last week and was surprised to see it had changed its name.
It used to be an after hours favorite back when T' n T Monroes was
still hosting jazz nights.
Little Pete's on 17th might be a good breakfast choice on a
Sunday if you get there at the right time ..

don't forget carman's country kitchen, 11th & Wharton. call ahead.

Not exactly downtown, and if you're not a regular I wouldn't
necessarily recommend it ... Some real good eats, but I'd reserve
reccomending it for locals .... all things considered

- bebopper

[Hillary Israeli]

In <***@4ax.com>,
bebopper <***@nospam.org> wrote:

*>don't forget carman's country kitchen, 11th & Wharton. call ahead.
*
*Not exactly downtown, and if you're not a regular I wouldn't
*necessarily recommend it ... Some real good eats, but I'd reserve
*reccomending it for locals .... all things considered

Seriously? Huh. I have suggested it to pretty much everyone I know
visiting here from out of town. Most of them get a huge kick out of her
business card. Few end up having the time to eat there, though. Those who
do seem to enjoy it!

[Sandy Moore]

Has anyone tried. "Gooey Looie's" at Moyamensing & Moore Sts.? I
recommend the Jewish Deluxe Hoagie. So much meat, you can share.

[Gordon McDougall]

This is Gordon again. Can you please help me with my memory? When we
lived there in 65/66, we used to go get coffee at a drugstore at, I
believe, 34th and Walnut. I think its official name was the Campus
Drug Store but many people called it the "Dirty Drug." It was there
on our first night in Philly that we learned what a "regular" coffee
was.

Also, we remember a chain of sandwich restaurants perhaps called
Chuckwagon. You got your sandwiches at a cafeteria style counter and
then lots of fixings from a condiment table. The students used to
fill up on comdiments.

When I was doing my moonlighting shifts at the old St Agnes emergency
Room, the cops in South Philly were always interested in our nurses,
so they would pick up pizzas and sandwiches and come and share them
with us in our break room. We would all help them look out for the
beat sergeant.

Great memories.

Gordon

[James Andrews]

Post by Gordon McDougall
This is Gordon again. Can you please help me with my memory? When we
lived there in 65/66, we used to go get coffee at a drugstore at, I
believe, 34th and Walnut. I think its official name was the Campus
Drug Store but many people called it the "Dirty Drug." It was there
on our first night in Philly that we learned what a "regular" coffee
was.
Also, we remember a chain of sandwich restaurants perhaps called
Chuckwagon. You got your sandwiches at a cafeteria style counter and
then lots of fixings from a condiment table. The students used to
fill up on comdiments.
When I was doing my moonlighting shifts at the old St Agnes emergency
Room, the cops in South Philly were always interested in our nurses,
so they would pick up pizzas and sandwiches and come and share them
with us in our break room. We would all help them look out for the
beat sergeant.
Great memories.

I don't see what you need help with--looks like you remember things
just fine...

[¦Ê¹½¬P]

Post by Gordon McDougall
Also, we remember a chain of sandwich restaurants perhaps called
Chuckwagon. You got your sandwiches at a cafeteria style counter and
then lots of fixings from a condiment table. The students used to
fill up on comdiments.

Chuckwagon, Chuckwagon.

The last one I remember open was located at Broad & Vine St. Right
across from the Roman Catholic High School, in a building then called
Philadelphia Athletic Club where Jack Kelly (Princess Grace Kelly's
older brother) hanged around and was the president, where Princess
Grace and her brood once in a while showed up to play a basketball
game... where the Olympians trained for the Olympics.......

Now the Philadelphia Athletic Club, Chuckwagon all long gone.......
Now it is the location of a multi-level parking lot of the Hahnemann
Hospital.